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爸爸放大招 暴雪官网论坛移除了论坛踩帖功能

2017-7-15 15:08:50 作者:m58d 来源:网络

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  然而近日暴雪更新了他们的论坛,取消了玩家对帖子进行downvote(踩)的权力。在暴雪论坛里,被差评多的帖子内容会被淡化并被折叠显示

  No more downvotes?

  差评系统没了?

  Yes, we’ve recently pushed an update to the WoW forums that removes the ability to downvote posts made by other players.

  We originally added this feature as a means for players to assist with forum moderation by upvoting helpful posts and downvoting inappropriate or toxic posts. In practice, however, we found that it was primarily being used for things like downvoting a post simply because they disagreed with it, which was not the intent, and too often led to different opinions getting unfairly buried. Moving to an upvotes-only environment will remove this unintended abuse, while still allowing players to give recognition to posts that have a positive impact on the World of Warcraft community.

  As a reminder, you can still report inappropriate or abusive posts to the moderation team by selecting the “Report Post” option located in the dropdown menu on the right of the offending post.

  是的,我们升级了山口山论坛并且移除了玩家对另一个帖子进行差评的系统。我们的本意是让玩家可以赞或者踩对玩家有帮助或者坑爹的帖。然而这个系统被滥用了,有些帖子被不公平的埋没了,不能踩帖将对论坛产生更积极的影响,你们觉得哪个帖有毛病还可以举报他。

  [i]Really? I don't like a post, I hit the button labeled DISLIKE...

  WTF?

  Remove like as well or you (blizzard as a whole) is just doing this to make it look like there are no issues.[/i]

  来真的?我不喜欢的帖我就踩...搞什么飞机?移除了就显得这里没有有毛病的帖了是么?

  Cover-ups never go well.

  Covering up what exactly?... Posts that disagree with design, for example, can still be liked by players which can indicate to us its something to look into, etc.

  The ability to troll threads with downvotes, or downvoting for the sake of disagreement was the prime reason for removal here, and it nay make some increase in workload on the moderation side, but nothing we can't handle.

  Let's take off our tin foil hats here.

  欲盖弥彰是从来都没好结果。不过我们到底掩盖了什么呢?举例来说,你还能通过赞让我们觉得他的帖有干货等等。删了踩/赞功能是因为它是帖子里产生分歧的主要原因,移除它还能缓解工作量(暴雪论坛有个组专门负责分析这些被踩的帖)不是说我们管不了那些不受欢迎的帖。别受虐妄想了

  [i]I don't think this will work like you think it will ..[/i]

  我不觉得这玩意能像你想的那样..

  A good example of the reason for this fall to specific examples, and there are many, but one we see often that ends up pushing people away from the forums is...

  For example, if a Paladin posts in the Paladin class forum about something the 'general' Paladin community doesn't feel is important, they were just downvoted to oblivion, often with no context. We'd much rather people engage in meaningful conversation with each other to convey those kind of things, and, even if they don't, the poster of the thread doesn't feel worthless for posting a thread that ended up with -70 votes for no reason.

  There's not really a bad outcome here, but we will keep an eye on the change going forward, and we encourage posters to report posts that are toxic or against our Forums Code of Conduct.

  具体的例子很多但最常见的结果是(这个系统)把人从论坛赶走。比如说有个骑士在圣骑区发了个帖说了一些“一般圣骑”觉得许无关紧要的事,于是就被狂踩到没下文然后被人们遗忘。我们更希望人们积极的参与到讨论中来,即便他们不参加也不希望看到一个帖被踩了70多次然后就这么完了。这不能有什么更坏的结果我们将持续关注未来的变化,并且我们鼓励你们举报违规帖。

  [i]What about the trolls that downvotes helped to bury i.e one thread this morning that compared blizzard to germany with a side mention of concentration camps tossed in? [/i]

  那么踩带来的隐藏功能呢,比如今天早晨的一个帖拿暴雪比德国集中营的

  Having posts like that buried when mods are m.i.a or home sleeping/off work was a good thing.We built a much larger, scaled moderation team since the downvote feature was implemented, and they are typically quick to react to these types of things to remove them entirely, and we will work with our moderation team to adjust to react to this as well.Downvoting doesn't really serve a purpose with that kind of thread in the bigger picture, as people can still read it.

  对于引战下线或者一击脱离的帖这个功能是不错。自从有了差评系统以后我们有一只不小的团队专门负责及时处理和删除这类被狂踩的帖。但在宏观角度差评功能并不能更好的为论坛服务。

  Covering up quite a bit actually. If there's a lot of disliked comments on a topic, good chance it's not popular (of the forum population) opinion. By only allowing the like button to continue you're pushing any opinions that are not +1 out of the game. If someone can add a +1, someone else should be able to add a -1, or you're promoting a false utopia of upvotes...

  Many of the downvoted threads did not warrant a full reply. The dislike button was enough to say "I don't like this".

  这就是掩饰。如果一个帖里有很多不受待见的评论,那评论必然是在论坛里不流行的。能赞就应该能踩,要不你就是在蓄意制造和平盛世..绝大多数被踩的帖根本不需要解释,那个按钮就表示我不喜欢这样。

  *puts on tin foil hat*

  It wasn't the *original* intention. I wasn't here when it was implemented, and maybe there was a poor word choice on the button, but we're a bit past that now.

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  And now if there's not a lot likes, then it's still not popular?

  I think your concern is how do we know x is popular versus y and z (wheras x may be a disagreement about game design and y may be a thread about Illidan lore). Things will be compared on the bigger picture now instead of thread by thread, which is how we've been doing it for a long, long time to be honest.

  *快戴上防洗脑帽*

  这并不是原始的意图,而且我也是后来的,而且就算那有个按钮有那个(不喜欢)意思但我们现在觉得应该改变点了。我觉得你担心的是我们怎么知道什么受欢迎什么不受的。 然而你懂个P 我们在下很大一盘棋,老实说这种事情我们已经干了很久了。

  讲真我是没看出这里面有利大于弊,我就看见这个蓝帖发言人在疯狂打滚,这还是原来那个暴雪?

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